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End, which I have shewn to be just, The Necessity of the Thing, Sir, and even necessary for this Nation will likewise be an Answer to the in its present Circumstances; and other objection, I have heard made the only plausible Objection I have against our furnishing the Queen of heard against it, is founded upon a Hungary with any of our Troops, I Supposition which I cannot admit. mean, that of its being dangerous It has been said, Sir, that the Queen A to our Conftitution, by obliging us of Hungary has Men enough, and to have a great Number of our Peowants nothing but Money to arm p!e bred up to depend upon the Soland support them; and that there. dier Trade alone for a Livelihood; fore we ought to supply her with for fuppofing that there were any Money instead of Troops, because real Danger in this, when it bewhat we pay for maintaining our comes necessary for our PreservaTroops abroad, would maintain a B tion, it is an Evil that, like many much greater Number of Troops others, must be submitted to. But raised in her own Dominions. I I must think the Danger rather imashall grant, Sir, that the Bravery ginary than real: The Trade of a and Fidelity of her Subjects have common Soldier is not so desirable furnished her with a much greater or profitable a Trade as to make Number of Tropps than could have Men chuse to depend on it solely for been expected; but no Man who C their Subsistence : There are very knows any Thing of Geography can, few that take it up by Choice; and I think, suppose, that she has as many most Men are glad to quit it, as soon Men in her Dominions as there are as they can get Leave to do so. in the two large Kingdoms of France We may therefore moft reasonably and Spain; for every one knows, suppose, that the much greatest Part they are neither so extensive nor so of the Men we send abroad, would populous, consequently she must at D be glad to return to their former ialt want Men as well as Money; Employments at the End of the War, and tho' our Troops are a little more

and such as did not chuse to do so, expenfive than hers, yet the Diffe- might be disposed of among those rence is not so great as has been re- Corps that we are obliged to keep presented; for tho by Treaties the in Pay for our Defence and Security, Expence of 1000 Foot has been even in Time of Peace. For this computed and settled at the Rate of E Reason, I shall always think, it will 10,000 Florins per Month, we cannot be an Advantage to us, and even a suppose that 1000 Men, even of the Security to our Constitution, to send Queen of Hungary's Troops, could a Number of our own Troops abe maintained for that Sum, without broad, as often as we have Occasion any additional Expence, either for to employ any Troops upon the ConCloathing, Waggon-Money, or any

tinent for the Asistance of our Alother incidental Charge; therefore Flies; because, by this Means, we The could not maintain any great

shall always have among us a great Number of her Troops more than Number of Men who are not only we could maintain of ours for the Masters of military Discipline, but same Sum ; and if her Dominions

have been actually engaged in Accannot furnish Men enough for fup- tion, and, consequently, may be porting a War against the numerous called Veteran, as well as well-disArmies of France and Spain, we G ciplined Soldiers, which can never must alsilt her with Troops as well be the Case of our Militia, let them as Money, let the Difference in the be never so well disciplined : At Expence be what it will.

least, I hope so, because it can never


be the Case, except when we are, in the Winter Time, have taken or have lately been engaged in a Poffeffion of all that Part of GermaCivil War amongst ourselves. And ny on this Side the Rbine, our Troops, an ambitious Government, even with as well as the Queen of Hungary's, an Army at its Command, can never would have been subjected to the destroy our Conftitution, as long as Difficulty of passing that River in we have among our People a great A the Face of a French Army, before Number of veteran, as well as well they could open the Campaign, or disciplined Scldiers; for this I take andertake any Thing aginst the comto be a better Security for the Liber- mon Enemy ties of the People, than any Regula- Whether our Troops are to be tions that were ever invented by any employed next Campaign in Flanders, human Sagacity, because we never or whether they ought to be employheard of a People's being enslaved, B ed there, are Questions which I shall as long as they had Arms in their not pretend to Answer ; but this I Hands, and Courage and Skill enough will say, Sir, that Flanders is certo make the proper Use of them. tainly the most convenient Place,

I thall, lastly, consider the Place with Respect to us, for attacking where our Troops ought to be em- the Frontiers of France; and ir ployed; and this, Sir, I must observe, the Dutch join either as Principals is not to be decided by the present C or Auxiliaries, it will be absolutely Qucftion, nor can it be decided by necessary to have a considerable any Question in this House, or at Army in Flanders : Nay, I believe, this Time. It is a Question that they will take Care not to join in must be left intirely to the Decision any Shape, if they are not previof our Generals, in conjunction with ously affured of having an Army those of our Allies; and even by formed there, sufficient to protect them it cannot be decided till the D their Barrier against the most powerTime of Action draws near. As ful Army France can fend against it. for Winter Quarters, Flanders was But as this is not the Queftion certainly the best Place, and, indeed, now properly before us, I shall the only Place where our Troops enlarge no futher upon the Subject. could safely take up their Winter The real and, indeed, the sole QuestiQuarters, unless they had marched on now bcfore us, is, Whether we with the Austrian Troops quite away E ought to give the Que’n of Hungary to Bavaria or Bohimia. Their not any Asistance ; for if we are to give taking up their Winter Quarters upon her any, we certainly ought to give her this Side of the Rhine, was not the moit effectual Allistance we can; owing, I believe, to any Objection's which we cannot do, unless we aslift being made to it by the Princes or her with our Troops as well as our Circles of the Empire, but to their Money and Navy. This, I say, not having any fortified Towns there F is the sole Question now under for securing them in their Quarters. our Confideration; and as this is a They must have been continually ex- Question which, in my Opinion, posed to the Inroads of the Enemies can admit of no Dispute, I fall Kufjars and l'artisans, and therefore, therefore most heartily agree with it was necessary for them to return the Hon. Gentleman in his Motion. 10 Flanders, or to march as far as Bavaria, the latter of which would 6 The next that spoke upon this Subica have been extremely inconvenient, was Cn. Norbanus, in the Cha, because we could not, with Safety, roter of Norreys Bertie, Ejq; whale have sent them any Recruits or Re. Speecb was in Subflance i hus. inforcement; and as the French would,


of every


I am

afraid, if the Riches of a Nation WH the Reproaches that have

Mr. President,

by the Numbers of which the Riches SIR,

Nation must be estimated, HO' I have not long had the and, consequently, we ought to

Honour to fit in this House, esteem their Lives invaluable, and yet, as I dissent from the Hon. Gen- not squander away their Blood in a tleman who spoke laft, I fall most War on the Continent, which can humbly beg Leave to speak my Sen. A be of no Service to Great Britain, timents, and hope it will not be These, and many other Reasons, thought Presumption in me.

which I have heard from Gentlemen The Hon. Gentleman was pleased of more Experience and greater Ato say, That the French were much bilities than myself, induce me to impoverished, and not able to support give my Negative to the Question. the Expence of a long War, and assigned as a Reason for it, That the B The next Speech I ball give was tbat Subjects of France groaned under moft made by Servilius Priscus, in tbe grievous and heavy Taxes, infomuch Character of the Hon. Henry Pelthat there was not one Necessary of ham, Elq; which was to the folLife left untaxed. The Poverty of lowing Effect, viz. our Neighbours adds but little to our Riches; and tho' Comparisons

Mr. Prefident, yet,



THEN I call to remembrance depend on its Subjects being but lightly taxed, that we ourselves are, been, and are still daily thrown out in that Respect, very near in the same against our Ministers,' for not afSituation with our Neighbours the fisting the late Emperor in the Year French.

1734, when he was attacked by Another Hon. Gentleman has also D France, Spain, and Sardinia; and informed us, That our Woollen Trade when I reflect on the Ardor that is of late much increased: If so, as was shewn by all Ranks and Degrees most of our Regiments have been

of Men in this Nation for affitting supplied with Recruits from those the Queen of Hungary, when the Towns in the West, where that Ma- was attack'd by the King of Praia, nufaciure chiefly flourishes, I think, fingle and alone, I cannot but be there can be no better Time so dif- E surprized at the Opposition that is band Part of the Army, because now made to every Step taken by there may now be a Want of Hands our Government for assisting that in that Manufacture. This I men- magnanimous and much injured Printion, because he said very empha- cess. Considering the solemn Treatically, What will the Men do, ifties now subsisting between us and we disband them? An Argument the House of Austria, and confiderthat may be made use of, even in F ing how much our Honour is enTimes of the most profound Peace; gaged not to allow the Court of and likewise, because it is well Spain to make any Conquests in Italy, known, that her Majesty of Hun-' while they are at open War with us, gary wants not Men but Money, I believe, no Gentleman will say, and that Half the Money chose and, I think, it has not been as yet Troops coft us, would be of more directly affirmed, that we ought not Service to her. I think it will be G to give her any Assistance. If then better to send her Money, as it will we are to give her Affiftance, mult save the Lives of many of our able- we rot give her, if we can, such bodied Artizans and laborious Poor, Alistance as will be effectual; and

ought ought we not to give it in that thought as good as Troops, she had Manner which will be most effec- no Occasion to send any Troops to tual? For my own Part, rather the Aflitance of either : But that than not give her such an Assistance wife Queen thought otherwise, and as will be effectual for the Ends pro- therefore the seemed always more posed, I should be for giving her no forward to aslift her Allies with Afiftance at all ; because, by giving A Troops than with Money. I need her an ineffectual Assistance, we shall not mention particularly any more do her no Service, we shall only in- Instances of this Kind, for it is well crease her Misfortunes, and besides known, that in all the foreign Broils à certain and heavy Expence, we we were ever concerned in, we fent may bring great Misfortunes upon Troops to the Alistance of our ourselves, by rousing the Resentment Allies; and those Troops always of the Conquerors, and bringing B gained Honour to their Country by their united Force against this Na- their Conduct and Bravery; which tion alone, after the Queen of Hun- I mention not merely out of Vanity gary has been, by our ill-timed Oe- or Oftentation, but to sew, that a conomy, obliged to submit to the

Body of English Troops will always Terms they prescribe.

be of more Service to any of our muft therefore be of Opinion, Allies, by the Confidence it gives Sir, that we are bound in Honour, C to their Armies, and the Terror it as well as Interest, to give the Queen spreads amongst their Enemies, than of Hungary not only our Afistance, if we were to send them double the but all the Assistance we are able, Sum we pay for the Subsistence of and in that Manner which will be those Troops. I repeat it, Sir, bemost effectual for procuring her a cause I think it of great Weight in safe and solid Peace, without any this Debate : The Troops we have further Diminution of her Domini- D from Time to Time sent abroad, ons, but rather with an Increase, if have always gained such a ReputaSuccess should give us any reasonable tion, as gives Confidence to their Hopes of being able to accomplish Friends and Dismay to their Eneit. If this be what we are bound mies: They have hitherto preserved to do then, I think, it is evident, this Reputation: I hope, they will that we ought to afist her both with always preserve it; and this will Troops and Money; for that both E always make a Body of English

Troops and Money will be more Troops of greater Service to the effectual than Money alone, we have Cause we are engaged in, than if not only the Reason of the Thing, we were to send Money sufficient but the Experience of past Times for subsisting double their Number. to convince us. Queen Elizabeth, it From hence, Sir, I muft conclude, seems, never thought that Money that if we are to assist the Queen of would do as well as Troops; for


Hungary as far, and in the best Manwhen the undertook the Support of ner we are able, we must adlift her the United Provinces, the affilted them with Troops as well as Money; and with Men as well as Money; and as our having an Army upon the the Afittance she gave to Henry the Continent may prevail upon some Il'th, and the Protestants of France, of the Powers of Europe to deciare confifted chiefly in Troops, tho' both in her Favour, and may prevent othe United Provinces and the King Gthers from declaring against her, of France might have had Men I must approve of what my Hon. enough from Germany; and conse- Friend has been pleased to propole, quentiy, if Money had been then' and, I hope, it will meet with the


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Approbation of a great Majority of On the contrary, Sir, all the Opthis House.

position our Ministers have met with

for above these twenty Years; wich' The next Speech I shall give in this regard to foreign Affairs, has been

Debate, was that made by L. VO. occafioned by the Steps they have lumnius, in the Character of Ed- taken for destroying or weakening mund Waller, Eli; the Purport of A the House of Austria, and exalting which was as follows, viz. that of Bourbon; for this seems to

have been their Defign ever fince Mr. President,

the Year 1720, when the late EmSIR,

peror first began to obftruct the F Experience had not taught me

Views of the Court of Hanover to be surprised at nothing that upon the Duchy of Mecklembourg. happens in this House, I should have B This Dispute between the Courts of been very much surprised at hearing Vienna and Hanover foon produced it asserted in this Debate, that an

a very remarkable Effect upon the Opposition has been made to every

Councils of Great Britain, by makStep taken by our Government for ing them so fond of concluding a supporting the Queen of Hungary. feparate Peace with Spainthat they Has there an Opposition been made

sacrificed all the Demands of their to any one Step taken by our Go. C Country upon that Crown, and most vernment for that Purpose, except dishonourably gave it a Foundation the firgle one of sending our Troops

for infifting, not only upon the Reabroad, in order to form an Army

ftitution of Gibraltar, but upon in Flanders? And was not the Rea

having Satisfaction for the Spanish fon given for that Opposition, because Ships we destroyed in 1718. There an Army formed there, without the were the Fruits of our Negotiation Concurrence of the Dutch could be D and Treaty with Spain in 1721, by of no Service to the Queen of Hun

which we left the House of Austria gery, nor could be designed for any to make up their Differences with Thing else but to amuie the un- Spain in the best Manner they could; thinking Part of this Nation, in or

and this was the first Piece of Reder to draw them in to the Main. sentment shewn by the Court of taining of 16000 Hanoverians? Have Hanover ag iinst the late Emperor, not all the Subsidies proposed for E for traversing their Views upon the the Queen of Hungary been almost Duchy of Mecklembourg. The feunanimously agreed to? Has any one cond was, the Treaty of Hanover found fault with the Service our Squa

in the Year 1725, by which we dron in the Mediterranean has render. joined in an Alliance with France ed to her, or to her Ally the King against the Emperor and Spain. The of Sardinia : Has not every impar

third was the f'reaty of Seville, by tial Man, bosh within Doors and F which we joined in an Alliance with without exclaimed vehemently a

France and Spain, for compelling gainst our suffering the Spaniards to the Emperor to admit of Spanija transport an Army for invading her Troops into Italy; and the fourth Dominions in Itály? After all this, was our deserting him in the Year it is really astonishing to hear it 1734, by which Naples and Sicily, aflerted in the Face of such an au- and likewise, I may say Lorrain gust Assembly, that our Govern. Gwere taken from the House of Aur ment has been opposed in every Step

Aria and given to the House of they have taken for the Support of

Bourbon. the Queen of Hungary.

These, Sir, were the Steps taken 1744 M mm


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